Wikipedio:Generala debato
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Anciena debato esas movata aden arkivo.
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Por membreso di la forumo es bezonata pregar aprobo (kontre-spamala agado).
Pro ke Wikipedio funcionez maxim bone, on devas sempre skribar kelka vorti e frazi importanta samamaniere. On povas skribar ank en sua propra maniero, ma la ligili bezonas unformeso. Memorez, ke omna manieri esas chanjebla, ma nun ula chanjo esus tre laboriginta, pro ke nia Wikipedio esas ja multa-pagina. - Artomo
Indexo
- 1 Rubriki di pagini
- 2 Streketo en rubriki
- 3 Propra nomi
- 4 Ordinala nombri
- 5 Expliko inter parentezi che ligilo
- 6 Yarcenti
- 7 Ante Kristo
- 8 Falsa vorti
- 9 Extera ligili
- 10 Ido interwikis where they're not wanted
- 11 Question
- 12 Category for Movies by year
- 13 Fallback-linguo por omna projeti Idala: Esperanto od Angla?
- 14 Tradukuro por la nomospaci relatanta uzanti
- 15 New notification when a page is connected to Wikidata
- 16 m:Requests for comment/Global centralnotice for the blockade of the Turkish government
- 17 Wikidata changes now also appear in enhanced recent changes
- 18 Improved search in deleted pages archive
- 19 presenting the project Wikipedia Cultural Diversity Observatory and asking for a vounteer in Ido Wikipedia
- 20 Time to bring embedded maps (‘mapframe’) to most Wikipedias
- 21 Update on page issues on mobile web
- 22 Enabling a helpful feature for Template editors
Rubriki di pagini[redaktar fonto]
En rubriki preferesas singularo. La skribanto dil texto devus unesme klarifar ed explikar la kazo o nociono mencionita en rubriko e lore singularo esas plu bona. Quankam ulatempe pluralo esas plu bona en rubriko. - Artomo
Streketo en rubriki[redaktar fonto]
Se rubriko kontenas kompozita vorto (kompozajo), esus bona uzar streketo inter la parti. Tale ni esas polita e helpanta por lernanti di Ido. En normala texto on povas skribar sen streketo ma ligilizante ta vorto per kramponi on mustas memorar, ke la rubriko di la pagino kontenas streketo. - Artomo
Propra nomi[redaktar fonto]
Propra nomi esas importanta por Wikipedio ed on mustas ligilizar li. Nun uzesas en texti formulizuro Prenomo Familio-nomo. Tale on ne devas ponderar pri nekonocata nomo, quo esas parto di familiala nomo. Suficas, ke skribanto adjuntos kramponi che propra nomi kreante ligilo. Regretinde tala ordino esas nebona en pagino di omna pagini. Pro lo esas importanta, ke skribanti kategoriizas pagini. Se ulu skribas pri ula homo, ca skribanto generale savas, qua parto en propra nomo esas familiala nomo, do uzinda en enciklopediala listi. - Artomo
Por skribar Rusa, Ukrainana, Bielorusa e Bulgara nomi, videz Helpo:Latinigado dil alfabeto Kirila.
Ordinala nombri[redaktar fonto]
Dati esas importanta por funcionanta Wikipedio. Nun uzesas formulizuro X di monato en pagini pri ula dio (dato). Do ne Xma, qua esus plu Idala. Altralatere 1-esma, 2-esma, 8-esma, 10-esma abrevius nulo, 3-esma, 5-esma, 6-esma, 7-esma, 9-esma abrevius nur un signo e 4-esma du signi. Se ulu volas uzar formulizuro Xma di monato en sua texto, on povas ligilizar, por exemplo, tale: [[8 di marto|8ma di marto]]. En nomi di regnanti uzesas abreviuro Xma, exemple, Louis 14ma. - Artomo
Expliko inter parentezi che ligilo[redaktar fonto]
La nomi di reji, regnanti e tala personi di diversa landi havas ula-foye sama formo. Tatempe esas bezonata explikar pri quo lando o stato on skribas. Uzez tala formulizuro: [[Louis 14ma (Francia)|Louis 14ma]], ma ne, por exemplo, [[Louis 14ma di Francia|Louis 14ma]] o [[Louis 14ma de Francia|Louis 14ma]]. – Atencez ke on povas skribar anke kurte [[Louis 14ma]]. Se existas altra rejo sama-nomala, on povas pose separar li uzante la pagino pri homonimeso. – Artomo 23:19, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC).
Yarcenti[redaktar fonto]
Omna rubriki pri yarcenti havas formilizuro Xma yar-cento. - Artomo
Ante Kristo[redaktar fonto]
Yari referanta tempo ante Kristo havas abreviaturo aK, do sen punti. En moderna linguo punti semblas superflua. La yari pos Kristo ne havas abreviuro pK, ma se ulu volas o texto bezonas l' abreviuro pK, on ne mustas juntar pK inter ligilizebla kramponi. - Artomo
Falsa vorti[redaktar fonto]
Se vu trovas nekorekta vorto en Idala texto, juntez ol a listo pri sugestata vorti kun korekta formo. Tale la nedezirata vorto-formo ne esos repetita ed omnu povas chanjar olu. On povas trovar ula vorto-formo skribante che frontispico en buxeto la vorto e kliktante “serchar”. - Artomo
Extera ligili[redaktar fonto]
Me trovis en reto multalinguala ligilaro en qua on povas trovor extera reto-situi uzebla por Wikipediala pagini. Vizitez http://dmoz.org/ . - Artomo
Ido interwikis where they're not wanted[redaktar fonto]
Hi,
Not that I am a strong anti Ido personality or something like that, but it irritates me that on a lot of smaller Wikipedias the Ido interwiki is added to the local Main Page. This is OK when the list of interwikis is quite complete, but it is unasked for when the margin features only a few interwikis, usually the languages closest related to the local language and those that have some sort of relevance towards it in terms of proximity or being a major culture language. To be quite specific: at the Tok Pisin Wikipedia, there are only interikis to the English, Simple English, Indonesian, Malayan, Chinese, Javan, Sundanese, Japanese and German Wikipedias. An interwiki to io: would be completely out of place, yet someone placed it in. Please stop that, it is sheer spam! Caesarion 17:20, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
- Ido is the second international language and expect to become the first soon by the only force of its intrinsic value so it certainly deserve to have a very prominent place and certainly among the world top ten. Fafnir 19:58, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
- Caesarion - the link was added by someone in Spain, so it's hard to say who did it - certainly not one of us. I also helped you out with the other spam on your main page. Mithridates 23:20, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
- Ok, thank you Mithridates, I really hope it was not one of you, but it just seemed so likely... anyway Fafnir, your position is quite POV, as Ido is just spoken by a few 1000 speakers. How many people have heard of it at all? Even an interwiki to the Esperanto mean page would be highly doubtful, I think. (btw. most spam on that main page is much, much worse than this Ido interwiki, it's true) Caesarion 17:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
- Since there are so few Ido speakers and even available computer translator making it quite virtual for now it's why I said "intrinsic". Fafnir 19:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
- Ok, thank you Mithridates, I really hope it was not one of you, but it just seemed so likely... anyway Fafnir, your position is quite POV, as Ido is just spoken by a few 1000 speakers. How many people have heard of it at all? Even an interwiki to the Esperanto mean page would be highly doubtful, I think. (btw. most spam on that main page is much, much worse than this Ido interwiki, it's true) Caesarion 17:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Question[redaktar fonto]
Could this page be considered as the Ido Village Pump (en) or Bistro (fr)? Hégésippe | ±Θ± 16:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- As you see in the log there are very few participants so this wikipedia is a kind of "shadow boat", totally opposed to esperanto which is a weaker language but with an important community. Fafnir 21:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Um...I think what he means is 'yes'. *^^* We're kind of like doozers over here so I never really noticed the discussion area. Mithridates 09:16, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
[http://www.rsr.ch/view.asp?DomID=1895&clickedDate=06/14/2006#mercredi Rêver les langues par Marina Yaguello, Les langues imaginaires, éd. du Seuil]
Category for Movies by year[redaktar fonto]
I hope that I am asking at the correct place. I would like to suggest to create a category collecting movie-per-year-categories like, for instance, Kategorio:2001 cinemo. What would be the correct name for such a category? Thanks in advance and greets, --Darev 17:23, 28 di decembro 2008 (UTC)
Fallback-linguo por omna projeti Idala: Esperanto od Angla?[redaktar fonto]
Kelka dii ante nun 11 homi (di qua 2 programeri, 8 Esperantisti, 1 altru e 0 Idisti) chanjis la fallback-linguo di omna projeti Idala de Angla ad Espo. Frazo qua ne esis tradukita ad Ido montrus en Espo. Se ta frazo ne esis tradukita ad Espo, montrus en Angla.
Ido forsan heredis de Espo, ma la du lingui esas tote diferanta cadie. Esas tre plu facila por me komprenar Angla, vice Espo.
Vidinta en la kategorii por Angla-parolanti e por Espo-parolanti vi povas vidar ke esas tre plu multa parolanti hike qua komprenas Angla, vice parolanti qua komprenas Espo.
Me propozas retrochanjar la fallback-linguo ad Angla, co anke plufaciligas tradukar kozi nam olu igus trovar strings plu facile ye la traduko-wiki.
– Algentem [debato] [kontributo] 20:56, 12 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Suportas[redaktar fonto]
Suporto Frank Kasper
Suporto por la kauzi super. – Algentem [debato] [kontributo] 20:56, 12 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Suporto Joao Xavier (diskuto) 21:19, 12 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Suporto Serg.belitzky 03:28, 13 jan. 2017 (GMT)
Suporto pro ke "la maxim bona linguo internaciona esas ta qua prizentas la maxim granda facileso por la maxim multa homi" (Jespersen). Se Ido ne esas disponebla, la Angla esas la linguo maxim komprenata dal Idistaro, segun la yena listo kompare a la yena listo. --TheLazyDog (diskuto) 23:03, 13 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Suporto por la Angla til ke omna mesaji ed averti tradukesos aden Idolinguo. Lakaoso (diskuto) 23:26, 13 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Suporto Me opinionas ke uzar la angla esas preferinda kam uzar Espo. Idojc (diskuto) 13:12, 14 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Suporto Robin van der Vliet (diskuto) 14:16, 14 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Suporto DavidW (diskuto) 14:47, 14 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Suporto Uzanto: Partaka (Ca-kaze, anke me suportas l'Angla til ke omno tradukesos aden Ido)
Suporto Me anke opinionas ke uzar la Angla esas preferinda kam uzar Espo, til ke omno tradukesabos aden Ido.
Suporto Gonçalo Neves Anke me opinionas ke uzar la Angla esas preferinda kam uzar Esperanto, tam longe kam ne omno esos apte tradukita en Ido. Ne omna Idisti ed Ido-uzanti povas lektar Esperanto fluante, ma omna Wikipediala Idisti ed Ido-uzanti certe komprenas la Angla e povas lektar ol fluante.
Suporto Wilcynic: La chanjo desfaciligas uzar la Ido Wikipedio, por me, se ne altri.
Suporto --Artomo (diskuto) 08:04, 15 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Opozas[redaktar fonto]
Tradukuro por la nomospaci relatanta uzanti[redaktar fonto]
La nomospaci por la konti esas prezente nomata « Uzanto » . Me judikas ke ni devos rinomizar ica nomospaco ad « Uzero » nam « Uzanto » nur fitas se la aganto esas enreta, se la aganto esas ekreta, lo korekta esus « Uzinto », e por li qua ne ankore kreis konto, li kreos « Uzonto », e.c. Me anke propzas rinomar « Uzanto Debato » ad « Uzerodebato ». Se ni rinomizus, nula ligilo ruptos o cesos funcionar, la sistemo aktualigus su ipsa.
– Algentem [debato] [kontributo] 20:56, 12 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Suportas[redaktar fonto]
Suporto por la kauzi super. – Algentem [debato] [kontributo] 20:56, 12 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Suporto me ja tradukis tale dum longa tempo. 'Uzero' es plu apta kam 'uzanto'. Lakaoso (diskuto) 23:30, 13 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Suporto Robin van der Vliet (diskuto) 14:16, 14 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Suporto pro korekteso. --TheLazyDog (diskuto) 15:23, 14 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Suporto. Unionita, ni esas plu forta! :) Joao Xavier (diskuto) 19:51, 14 jan. 2017 (UTC)
Opozas[redaktar fonto]
New notification when a page is connected to Wikidata[redaktar fonto]
Hello all,
(Please help translate to your language)
The Wikidata development team is about to deploy a new feature on all Wikipedias. It is a new type of notification (via Echo, the notification system you see at the top right of your wiki when you are logged in), that will inform the creator of a page, when this page is connected to a Wikidata item.
You may know that Wikidata provides a centralized system for all the interwikilinks. When a new page is created, it should be connected to the corresponding Wikidata item, by modifying this Wikidata item. With this new notification, editors creating pages will be informed when another editor connects this page to Wikidata.
This feature will be deployed on May 30th on all the Wikipedias, excepting English, French and German. This feature will be disable by default for existing editors, and enabled by default for new editors.
This is the first step of the deployments, the Wikipedias and other Wikimedia projects will follow in the next months.
If you have any question, suggestion, please let me know by pinging me. You can also follow and leave a comment on the Phabricator ticket.
Thanks go to Matěj Suchánek who developed this feature!
Dankon! Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk)
m:Requests for comment/Global centralnotice for the blockade of the Turkish government[redaktar fonto]
Hi, you are invited to participate in the discussion on the proposal to make a banner through m: centralnotice to inform more people around the world about what the Turkish government has done about Wikipedia, ie all the language versions of Wikipedia are You are obscured, so in Turkey it is impossible to view the * .wikipedia.org site. To hope that the Turkish government will remove the block, it is necessary to raise awareness of this fact around the world because it is important to succeed in this mission because Wikipedia can not be seen in Turkey. With this message also for those interested, I invite him to sign the Wikimedian appeal.
If you have any questions or questions do not hesitate to contact me. Thanks best regards. --Samuele2002 (Talk!) 20:05, 27 may. 2017 (UTC)
Wikidata changes now also appear in enhanced recent changes[redaktar fonto]
Hello, and sorry to write this message in English. You can help translating it.
Starting from today, you will be able to display Wikidata changes in both modes of the recent changes and the watchlist.
Read and translate the full message
Dankon! Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 08:33, 29 jun. 2017 (UTC)
(wrong target page? you can fix it here)
Improved search in deleted pages archive[redaktar fonto]
Please help translate to your language
During Wikimedia Hackathon 2016, the Discovery team worked on one of the items on the 2015 community wishlist, namely enabling searching the archive of deleted pages. This feature is now ready for production deployment, and will be enabled on all wikis, except Wikidata.
Right now, the feature is behind a feature flag - to use it on your wiki, please go to the Special:Undelete page, and add &fuzzy=1 to the URL, like this: https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AUndelete&fuzzy=1. Then search for the pages you're interested in. There should be more results than before, due to using ElasticSearch indexing (via the CirrusSearch extension).
We plan to enable this improved search by default on all wikis soon (around August 1, 2017). If you have any objections to this - please raise them with the Discovery team via email or on this announcement's discussion page. Like most Mediawiki configuration parameters, the functionality can be configured per wiki.
Once the improved search becomes the default, you can still access the old mode using &fuzzy=0 in the URL, like this: https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AUndelete&fuzzy=0
Please note that since Special:Undelete is an admin-only feature, this search capability is also only accessible to wiki admins.
Dankon! CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 18:39, 25 jul. 2017 (UTC)
presenting the project Wikipedia Cultural Diversity Observatory and asking for a vounteer in Ido Wikipedia[redaktar fonto]
Hello everyone,
My name is Marc Miquel and I am a researcher from Barcelona (Universitat Pompeu Fabra). While I was doing my PhD I studied whether an identity-based motivation could be important for editor participation and I analyzed content representing the editors' cultural context in 40 Wikipedia language editions. Few months later, I propose creating the Wikipedia Cultural Diversity Observatory in order to raise awareness on Wikipedia’s current state of cultural diversity, providing datasets, visualizations and statistics, and pointing out solutions to improve intercultural coverage.
I am presenting this project to a grant and I expect that the site becomes a useful tool to help communities create more multicultural encyclopaedias and bridge the content culture gap that exists across language editions (one particular type of systemic bias). For instance, this would help spreading cultural content local to Ido Wikipedia into the rest of Wikipedia language editions, and viceversa, make Ido Wikipedia much more multicultural. Here is the link of the project proposal: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Wikipedia_Cultural_Diversity_Observatory_(WCDO)
I am searching for a volunteer in each language community: I still need one for the Ido Wikipedia. If you feel like it, you can contact me at: marcmiquel *at* gmail.com I need a contact in your every community who can (1) check the quality of the cultural context article list I generate to be imported-exported to other language editions, (2) test the interface/data visualizations in their language, and (3) communicate the existance of the tool/site when ready to the language community and especially to those editors involved in projects which could use it or be aligned with it. Communicating it might not be a lot of work, but it will surely have a greater impact if done in native language! :). If you like the project, I'd ask you to endorse it in the page I provided. In any case, I will appreciate any feedback, comments,... Thanks in advance for your time! Best regards, --Marcmiquel (diskuto) 08:22, 10 okt. 2017 (UTC) Universitat Pompeu Fabra, Barcelona
Time to bring embedded maps (‘mapframe’) to most Wikipedias[redaktar fonto]
Time to bring embedded maps (‘mapframe’) to most Wikipedias
Please help translate to your language
Mapframe is a feature that enables users to easily display interactive maps right on wiki pages. Currently, most Wikipedias don’t have mapframe. But fifteen Wikipedias, along with all the other Wikimedia projects, are using mapframe today to display maps on thousands of pages.
A little background: over the last few months, the Foundation’s Collaboration team has been working to improve the stability and user experience of the maps service. In addition, a question about long-term support for the maps service was recently settled, and a small team has been assigned for routine maintenance. Given these developments, bringing the benefits of mapframe to Wikipedias that lack the feature seems both safe and supportable. Nine Wikipedias that use a stricter version of Flagged Revisions will not get mapframe in this release.
Maps are a valuable form of visual data that can improve readers’ understanding across a wide range of topics. If you know of any reasons why mapframe shouldn’t be implemented on your Wikipedia, let us know on the project talk page. Unless we hear from you, we plan to release mapframe to most Wikipedias in May, 2018. So, if you foresee an issue, please let us hear from you. Otherwise, happy mapping!
CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 21:38, 24 apr. 2018 (UTC)
Update on page issues on mobile web[redaktar fonto]
Update on page issues on mobile web
Please help translate to your language Hi everyone. The Readers web team has recently begun working on exposing issue templates on the mobile website. Currently, details about issues with page content are generally hidden on the mobile website. This leaves readers unaware of the reliability of the pages they are reading. The goal of this project is to improve awareness of particular issues within an article on the mobile web. We will do this by changing the visual styling of page issues.
So far, we have drafted a proposal on the design and implementation of the project. We were also able to run user testing on the proposed designs. The tests so far have positive results. Here is a quick summary of what we learned:
- The new treatment increases awareness of page issues among participants. This is true particularly when they are in a more evaluative/critical mode.
- Page issues make sense to readers and they understand how they work
- Readers care about page issues and consider them important
- Readers had overwhelmingly positive sentiments towards Wikipedia associated with learning about page issues
Our next step would be to start implementing these changes. We wanted to reach out to you for any concerns, thoughts, and suggestions you might have before beginning development. Please visit the project page where we have more information and mockups of how this may look. Please leave feedback on the talk page.
CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:58, 12 jun. 2018 (UTC)
Enabling a helpful feature for Template editors[redaktar fonto]
Hello.
The team working on TemplateStyles at the Wikimedia Foundation would like to enable TemplateStyles on this wiki.
TemplateStyles is a feature to allow non-administrators to write and manage CSS styles for templates. It allows contributors who edit templates to separate content and presentation. A good web practice that makes it easier to manage the layout of templates. If you don't edit templates, this will not have any impact on your contributions.
TemplateStyles is useful for a few reasons.
- It makes it possible for templates to work better on mobile.
- It cuts out confusion on where to apply CSS rules.
- Editing CSS is currently limited to administrators, which is a major barrier to participation.
- All stylesheets must be loaded on all pages (whether they actually use the page or not), which wastes bandwidth and makes debugging style rules more difficult.
You can learn more about TemplateStyles on MediaWiki.org. Technical documentation is also available.
This is an optional feature and no one must use it, but template contributors are encouraged to do so! Please discuss and let us know if there are any concerns. If there are no concerns we will proceed to deploy the feature on the 9th of August.
Thank you.
CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 21:28, 6 di agosto. 2018 (UTC)
